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Family of Francis SHORTLAND and Eliza HERBERT

Husband: Francis SHORTLAND (1796?-1875)
Wife: Eliza HERBERT (1802?- )
Marriage 1839 Berkhamsted, Herts.

Husband: Francis SHORTLAND

Name: Francis SHORTLAND
Sex: Male
Father: John SHORTLAND (1738?-1820)
Mother: Mary YOUNG (1750?-1818)
Birth 1796 (est) Luton, Bedfordshire, UK
Religion Anglican
Occupation Ropemaker
Census 6 Jun 1841 (age 45) Berkhamsted, Herts.1
Gossom's End, Berkhamsted, Herts.
Occupation 6 Jun 1841 (age 44-45) Ropemaker; Gossom's End, Berkhamsted, Hertfordshire, UK2
Census 6 Jun 1841 (age 45) Berkhamsted, Herts.3
Gossom's End, Berkhamsted, Herts.
Occupation 6 Jun 1841 (age 44-45) Rope maker; Berkhamsted, Herts.3
Census 30 Mar 1851 (age 50) Berkhamsted, Herts.4
9 High Street, Berkhamsted, Herts.
Among the lodgers staying in the Five Bells Inn, High Street, (landlord Thomas Rickets) were Francis Shortnal (married. 50, master rope maker, born Berkhamsted) and Joseph Shortnal (17, rope maker's assistant, born Berkhamsted).
The 1851 census shows (as we already knew):
Francis ShortNALL Ropemaker 50 with Joseph 17 at one address but Eliza 49 (Straw Plait Schoolmistress) and the two Lawrence children Adelaide (Strawplaiter) and Henry (invalid) at another. (Our Patriairch John at 19 being already gone to High Wycombe)
Occupation 30 Mar 1851 (age 54-55) Master Rope Maker; Berkhamsted, Herts.4
Census 1861 (age 58) Berkhamsted, Herts.
High Street, Berkhamsted St Peters, Great Berkhamsted
In the 1861 census (Ancestry) Francis is listed (as Francis Shortnal) as a rope maker, living on his own in the High Street, Berkhamsted, in 1861 (Ancestry). His probable wife Eliza is listed as "Aliza Shortnall" of "Goddesden, Herefordshire" in Brymbo, Denbighshire. She was visiting a John and Louisa Smith (born Lambeth, Surrey) and infant Mary Ann Smith (1, Brymbo, Denbighshire, Wales).
Census 7 Apr 1861 (age 58) Berkhamsted, Herts.5
11 High Street, Berkhamsted, Herts.
Occupation 7 Apr 1861 (age 64-65) Rope Maker; Berkhamsted, Herts.5
Census 1871 (age 74-75) Berkhamsted, Herts.
High Street, Great Berkhamsted
In the 1871 census (Ancestry) Francis Shortnall (81, Rope Maker, Luton, Beds) and his wife Eliza were living in the High Street, Berkhamsted with their unmarried granddaughter, Mary Ann Smith (11, straw plaiter, Wrexham, Wales) - Thi is a very young age for her to be their grandchild - may be a great-grandchild.
Census 2 Apr 1871 (age 81) Berkhamsted, Herts.6
11 High Street, Berkhamsted, Herts.
Occupation 2 Apr 1871 (age 74-75) Rope maker; Berkhamsted, Herts.6
National or Tribal Origin English
Marriage Count 3
Child Count 7
Death Mar 1875 (age 78-79) Berkhamsted, Herts.

Wife: Eliza HERBERT

Name: Eliza HERBERT
Sex: Female
Father: John HERBERT ( - )
Mother: -
Birth 1802 (cal) Little Gaddesden, Hertfordshire, UK7
Census 6 Jun 1841 (age 40) Berkhamsted, Herts.3
Gossom's End, Berkhamsted, Herts.
Census 1851 (age 48-49)
In the 1851 census (printed transcript & Ancestry) Eliza Shortnall (wife of absent head of household, 49, Straw Plait School Mistress, born Little Gaddesden) was at Prospect Place, Berkhamsted, with daughter Adelaide Lawrence (born Lambeth, Surrey) and Henry (born Lambeth, Surrey). In addition (printed transcript), lodging in an inn in Berkhamsted High Street was Francis Shortnall (married but wife not present, 50, Master Rope Maker, born Berkhamsted) and Joseph Shortnall (17, Rope Makers Assistant, Berkhamsted. - possible son??) (Ancestry indexes name as Thortnall - but clearly Shortnall). A John Shortlin (18, chair maker, born Berkhamsted) was in High Wycombe, Bucks, could well be your John.
Census 30 Mar 1851 (age 49) Berkhamsted, Herts.7
Prospect Place
Occupation 30 Mar 1851 (age 48-49) Straw-plait schoolmistress; Berkhamsted, Herts.7
Census 30 Mar 1851 (age 49) Berkhamsted, Herts.8
17 Prospect Place
Occupation 30 Mar 1851 (age 48-49) Straw Plait Schoolmistress; Berkhamsted, Herts.8
Census 7 Apr 1861 (age 59) Brymbo, Denbighshire, Wales9
82 "unknown" Green, Brymbo, Denbighshire, Wales
Occupation 7 Apr 1861 (age 58-59) Schoolmistress; Brymbo, Denbighshire, Wales9
Census 2 Apr 1871 (age 70) Berkhamsted, Herts.6
11 High Street, Berkhamsted, Herts.
Census 1881 (age 78-79) Prospect Place, Berkhamsted, Hertfordshire, UK
here was an Eliza Shortnal (married, 49, straw plait schoolmistress, born Little Gaddesden) living in Prospect Place, Berkhamsted.
National or Tribal Origin English
Child Count 2
Marriage Count 3

Note on Marriage

the marriage in 1839 of Francis ShortNELL to Eliza Lawrence in Gt Berkhamsted. (Francis widower, father John, Eliza widow)

Note on Husband: Francis SHORTLAND

But now for the real anomalies. The baptismal certs give mother to all his children as "Elizabeth". So where is Jane Ridgeway?

Baptisms:

a) 1816 Mary: Elizabeth "first daughter" of Francis and Elizabeth Shortnall (born 1815)

b) 1835: Ellen, "adult, daughter of Francis & Elizabeth" (born 1818) (presumably "second daughter"?)

c) 1836 20th March: Margaret "third daughter" (born 1821)

d) 1836 20th March: John "second son" (born 1832) (Who was first son?)

e) 1836 20th March: Joseph "third son" (born 1834)

f) 1836 20th March: George "fourth son" (born 1836)

 

Note that the George born 1836, baptised 1836, is without doubt the same George who died aged 1 in 1837. But we know his mother was Jane Ridgeway who died in 1838.

So it is clear that the recording of "Elizabeth" as mother to ALL the baptised children is a clerical error. Perhaps Francis gave mother of Margaret, the eldest to be baptised, as "Elizabeth" and the clerk recorded them all as of same mother.

Sources

1"Census 1841 Gossom's End, Berhamsted, Herts. HO107/440/3".
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Source: Census 1841 Gossom's End, Berhamsted, Herts. HO107/440/3, 1841 - Frank Shortnall and Family census Tom-Joss

2"Census 1841 Gossom's End, Berkhamsted, Herts. HO/107/440/3".
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Source: Census 1841 Gossom's End, Berkhamsted, Herts. HO/107/440/3, 1841 - Frank Shortnall and Family census Tom-Joss

3"Census 1841 Berkhamsted, Herts. HO107/440/3".
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Source: Census 1841 Berkhamsted, Herts. HO107/440/3, 1841 - F(rank) Shortnal Eliza Shortnall and Family census Tom-Joss - Gossoms End Berkhamstead

4"Census 1851 Berkhamsted, Herts. HO107/1716/115/p.4 (Boarding house)".
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Source: Census 1851 Berkhamsted, Herts. HO107/1716/115/p.4 (Boarding house), 1851 - Francis and Joseph Shortnall, 9 High St, Berkhamsted

5"Census 1861 Berkhamsted, Herts. RG9/841/107/p.3".
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Source: Census 1861 Berkhamsted, Herts. RG9/841/107/p.3, 1861 - Francis Shortnal (alone), 11 High St, Berkhamsted

6"Census 1871 Berkhamsted, Herts. RG10/1389/113/p.2".
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Source: Census 1871 Berkhamsted, Herts. RG10/1389/113/p.2, 1871 - Francis and Eliza Shortnal - 11 High St, Berkhamstead

7"Census 1851 Berkhamsted, Herts. HO/107/1716/5".
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Source: Census 1851 Berkhamsted, Herts. HO/107/1716/5, 1851 - Eliza and the Lawrences

8"Census 1851 Berkhamsted, Herts. HO107/1716/p.5".
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Source: Census 1851 Berkhamsted, Herts. HO107/1716/p.5, 1851 - Eliza and the Lawrences - Prospect Place, Berkhamsted

9"Census 1861 Brymbo, Denbighshire, Wales RG9/4277/49/p.15".
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Source: Census 1861 Brymbo, Denbighshire, Wales RG9/4277/49/p.15, 1861 - Eliza Shortnall and the Smiths - Brymbo, Wales