Family of John HERBERT

Partner: John HERBERT ( - )
Partner: (unknown)
Children: Eliza HERBERT (1802?- )

Partner: John HERBERT

Name: John HERBERT
Sex: Male
Father: -
Mother: -

Child 1: Eliza HERBERT

Name: Eliza HERBERT
Sex: Female
Spouse 1: (Unknown) LAWRENCE ( -bef1875)
Spouse 2: Francis SHORTLAND (1796?-1875)
Birth 1802 (cal) Little Gaddesden, Hertfordshire, UK1
Census 6 Jun 1841 (age 40) Berkhamsted, Herts.2
Gossom's End, Berkhamsted, Herts.
Census 1851 (age 48-49)
In the 1851 census (printed transcript & Ancestry) Eliza Shortnall (wife of absent head of household, 49, Straw Plait School Mistress, born Little Gaddesden) was at Prospect Place, Berkhamsted, with daughter Adelaide Lawrence (born Lambeth, Surrey) and Henry (born Lambeth, Surrey). In addition (printed transcript), lodging in an inn in Berkhamsted High Street was Francis Shortnall (married but wife not present, 50, Master Rope Maker, born Berkhamsted) and Joseph Shortnall (17, Rope Makers Assistant, Berkhamsted. - possible son??) (Ancestry indexes name as Thortnall - but clearly Shortnall). A John Shortlin (18, chair maker, born Berkhamsted) was in High Wycombe, Bucks, could well be your John.
Census 30 Mar 1851 (age 49) Berkhamsted, Herts.1
Prospect Place
Occupation 30 Mar 1851 (age 48-49) Straw-plait schoolmistress; Berkhamsted, Herts.1
Census 30 Mar 1851 (age 49) Berkhamsted, Herts.3
17 Prospect Place
Occupation 30 Mar 1851 (age 48-49) Straw Plait Schoolmistress; Berkhamsted, Herts.3
Census 7 Apr 1861 (age 59) Brymbo, Denbighshire, Wales4
82 "unknown" Green, Brymbo, Denbighshire, Wales
Occupation 7 Apr 1861 (age 58-59) Schoolmistress; Brymbo, Denbighshire, Wales4
Census 2 Apr 1871 (age 70) Berkhamsted, Herts.5
11 High Street, Berkhamsted, Herts.
Census 1881 (age 78-79) Prospect Place, Berkhamsted, Hertfordshire, UK
here was an Eliza Shortnal (married, 49, straw plait schoolmistress, born Little Gaddesden) living in Prospect Place, Berkhamsted.
National or Tribal Origin English
Child Count 2
Marriage Count 3


1"Census 1851 Berkhamsted, Herts. HO/107/1716/5".

Source: Census 1851 Berkhamsted, Herts. HO/107/1716/5, 1851 - Eliza and the Lawrences

2"Census 1841 Berkhamsted, Herts. HO107/440/3".

Source: Census 1841 Berkhamsted, Herts. HO107/440/3, 1841 - F(rank) Shortnal Eliza Shortnall and Family census Tom-Joss - Gossoms End Berkhamstead

3"Census 1851 Berkhamsted, Herts. HO107/1716/p.5".

Source: Census 1851 Berkhamsted, Herts. HO107/1716/p.5, 1851 - Eliza and the Lawrences - Prospect Place, Berkhamsted

4"Census 1861 Brymbo, Denbighshire, Wales RG9/4277/49/p.15".

Source: Census 1861 Brymbo, Denbighshire, Wales RG9/4277/49/p.15, 1861 - Eliza Shortnall and the Smiths - Brymbo, Wales

5"Census 1871 Berkhamsted, Herts. RG10/1389/113/p.2".

Source: Census 1871 Berkhamsted, Herts. RG10/1389/113/p.2, 1871 - Francis and Eliza Shortnal - 11 High St, Berkhamstead